POTD: Hiroki Kuroda, SP (Taro, Dr. Naka)
This is Hiroshima's starter, not Seibu's closer. Will be only 32 next season. Would be a very interesting candidate for farther down in the rotation. 1997-2005 stats and 2006 stats. He was #2 in the Central League in ERA, ahead of Uehara. You'll note that Kuroda isn't especially a strikeout pitcher, but runs phenomenally low BB totals, in Tewksbury-, Radke-, Silva style.
Dr. Naka reports that Kuroda is Yamauchi-san's primary offseason target.

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Taro, for those of you who just joined us, is one of the three D-O-V superexperts (Dr. Naka, IceX) on NPB baseball. His knowledgeable take:
Kuroda is my #1 value pick for the offseason. A good #3 starter coming at #5 prices.
Good low to mid 90s fastball with late life (late release) with good command and deception between his fastball and offspeed offerings. He has a very solid slider and forkball, as well as a show-me shuuto pitch.
The shuuto (which is basically a backwards slider) is a pitch he’ll throw every now and then to keep lefties off his fastball (so they’ll hit the ball off the end of the bat). He mixes his pitches well, and will often pitch to contact.
My one complaint is that he pitches too high in the zone with his forkball. This is normally to get weak contact from NPB hitters (since they can’t read between pitches due to an identical delivery), but in the MLB the high forkball is a gopher pitch (like Mark Lowe’s slider/change it doesn’t break nearly as much when its up in the zone). No worries though, he has the command to pitch low in the zone, and WILL in America.
He is NOT a guy whose skills won’t translate to the MLB due to relatively low K rates like Watanabe (warned everybody about him preseason).
Kuroda is the Japanese Roy Halladay. He pitches to contact and will follow the scouting report to keep his pitch count low and eat innings. He won’t have to worry about going 9 innings in the MLB.
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Have often wondered if there are unwritten reasons the M's could not bring two NPB players into their roster in one season. Do the good ole boyz chuckle into their sleeves too much? Does the invisible hammer come down from Selig? Is it "allowed" to restock your rotation from Japan?
Taro followed up with this in early November:
Kuroda’s nickname is “Mr.Complete Game” due of his ability to pitch to contact and pace himself to go deep into the game. He is a competitor with a fastball that sits 90-93mph and will reach back for 96 at times, a forkball at 85-88mph, and a slider from 82-87mph. And of course the shuuto (an 87-91mph cut fastball that moves like a backwards slider) . He has also experimented with a curve and change occasionally in the past, but that is the main arsenal.
It really hasn’t been until recently that Kurodas hit the next plateou as a pitcher. In 2004 Kuroda struggled with injuries throughout the year, and got hit around pretty good, ending the year with a 4.6 ERA (much of the reason he has a reputation for being streaky). After that Kuroda likely worked his tail off during the offseason because in 2005 he came in looking like a COMPLETELY transformed pitcher.
When before Kuroda had more of a three-quarters delivery and his weight shift was higher (he stood taller), since the beggining of 2005 his center of gravity was much lower and he did a far better job of hiding the ball with a more over-the-top delivery. This was also the year he added the shuuto (cutfastball) to his arsenal and thats really been an equalizer for Kuroda. Kuroda’s fastball has always been his #1 pitch and the shuuto keeps the hitters from being overambitious on his fastball, inducing weak groudballs and broken bats..
All Kuroda has done since 2005 is quietly dominate the Central League.
Kurodas 2005-2006 combined numbers:
2.55 ERA
402 IP
6.92 K/9
1.41 BB/9
0.65 HR/9
7.88 Hits/9
4.9 K/BBIn 2006 Kuroda was even better, putting up a 6.89 K/BB and a 1.87ERA.
Keep in mind that Kuroda put up these numbers despite playing in the most extreme hitter’s park in the NPB, and despite the fact that every time he goes out he knows he needs to pace himself to pitch a complete game if he wants to give his (always bad to mediocre) team a chance to win.
Kuroda is the real deal, is going to go way under the market, and is apparently the M’s #1 target.
Dr. Naka offers the following:
Kuroda…
Nickname Mr.Complete Game
Famous for not getting run support (good match to M’s :sarcasm:)
(anyway he pitched for Hirosima one of the ball clubs in CL with poor offence)
Getting 1-0 wins and 0-1 losses.If he is in the zone he is better than Matsuzaka.
But he has also many bad outings.Control is there…
Good match with Johjima.Better than Civic. Accord?? May have Cy Young numbers in the first 2 years of MLB. (cf. Nomo)
Cheap…
May he will sign for 2 years for 5M$/year MLB contract.Good for M’s is that nobody wears his #15
BTW if M’s are getting Matsuzaka and Kuroda they should have 10 or 11 pitchers on active roster and not 12.
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Latest on Kuroda (from Dr. Naka) is that he is torn between his fierce loyalties at home, and his potential desire to play in the US.
Lotsa people ask, would you prefer Kuroda or Igawa? Kuroda without a doubt, and that's saying a lot.
Power arsenal like that, 1+ BB's, revamped overhand delivery coming from the ground, 2.55 ERA in a pitcher's park — man, sign me UP.
Will review the vids and offer our own $0.02 shortly.
Cheers,
Jeff
Kuroda is the Japanese Roy Halladay. He pitches to contact and will follow the scouting report to keep his pitch count low and eat innings. He won’t have to worry about going 9 innings in the MLB.











November 2nd, 2006 at 12:34 pm Quote
Naka-san,
That is AWESOME news. Read the link and it really sounds like Kuroda is a lost soul right now. Its the PERFECT time to put the full court press on.
Schmidt+Kuroda is a very fine offseason and leaves some money available for a trade for an impact bat.
October 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm Quote
Just thought I’d call attention to this John Hickey blog post:
Kuroda a possible option for Mariner rotation
He uses the phrase “they are exploring” in a manner that implies that it is being considered somewhere within the organization.
Thoughts or scoop from the other side of the Pacific (or this side)?
October 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pm Quote
Kuroda came up in the mailbag article this week too…the Mariners’ front office seems open to the Japanese guys, especially Kuroda. We’ll see how the bidding goes for his free agent services.
October 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pm Quote
I’m really looking forward to seeing how aggressive teams are in pursuing Japanese players. Last year it looked like MLB had fully embraced crossover talent and the Japanese were no longer undervalued. However, Dicek didn’t look quite like a $100 million star and Yanks got absolutely burned by Igawa so orgs may be much more cautious this offseason. If that’s the case then the Mariners may once again get a bargain.
October 18th, 2007 at 10:45 pm Quote
I think we may actually have a good chance to sign Kuroda if it comes out to be true we signed Jim Colburn to our pitching coach. The fact that he was instrumental in signing Japanese stars+Pitching Coach could be a factor.
Here is a question to any one who may know. I know we have talked about the possibility of trading for Santana which Im for, but what if Boston wants to cut payroll, and might not be to satisfied with DiceK to let us trade for him.
I’d love to have a rotation that looks like.
1. Matsuzaka/Santana 2.Hernandez 3. Kurado 4. Washburn 5.Batista 6.Morrow(Long Relief).
October 18th, 2007 at 11:49 pm Quote
Trading for either Santana or Matsuzaka will cost us Morrow. And Jones and Lopez. And possibly more.
That doesn’t mean I’m against trading for a big name. But Morrow is out of the picture if you have an ace.
As for Dice-K…I don’t think Boston is in any mood to cut payroll, and if they were…they would surely trade Manny long before they traded Dice-K…who is signed to a ridiculously cheap contract compared to other pitchers who produce like he does.
October 18th, 2007 at 11:50 pm Quote
Now…given how badly he bombed this year…Boston MIGHT be interested in trading JD Drew. If they would eat some of his salary over the next few years, I would be interested in acquiring him rather than going with Guillen.
October 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pm Quote
I’d go with Uehara, given Kuroda’s sub-par performance this year, but either will be bargains with lots of upside.
October 20th, 2007 at 5:43 am Quote
Yeah, but is Uehara available?
November 5th, 2007 at 10:08 am Quote
Kuroda delivers papers to team to be FA on Nov. 5th.
He will be declared FA on 13th and can begin negotiation from 14th.
Mariners are the front runner to sign him.
Lets see how it goes…
Remember the signing of Johjima 2 years ago?
November 5th, 2007 at 11:13 am Quote
Let’s hope this process follows a similar path to the one Johjima came here through. Would love to have Kuroda on the staff.
November 5th, 2007 at 12:30 pm Quote
This sign might also re-energize Johjima who will finally have a batterymate who has control and might also better understand the way he is trying to set the batter up.
It seemed as though Moyer and Wilson had this kind of on-the-field relationship.
If the M’s manage to sign Kuroda this time, I could see both players having “up” years: Joh, being free from the frustration of having EVERY Mariner pitcher constantly shaking him off and Kuroda combining Japanese rookie pitcher novelty with Joh’s two years of MLB knowledge.
November 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pm Quote
Not only did the Mariners shake Joh off a lot…they never hit their spots! LOL Joh didn’t get to do his best artwork because Mariner pitchers use a big fat Crayola marker when he wanted a calligraphy pen.
November 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pm Quote
If you sign up for Churchill’s (free) email newsletter at prospectinsider.com, he indicates that Kuroda is the Ms no. 1 pitching target and that the team had a scout at the Japanese playoffs watching him. Non-Ms U.S. scout quoted is not very high on Kuroda.
Also indicates that Fukudome is a possibility on offense, but not as likely to land in Seattle.
Also hints at a three-way trade that would net a bat and an arm, at the cost of one MLB player and two of Jones-Wlad-Clement (I’m pretty wary of that one).
November 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pm Quote
That would almost have to be something like Bartlett/Santana or Cabrera (M)/Willis for it to even be worth considering.
November 5th, 2007 at 11:19 pm Quote
The newsletter is bogus. Kuroda didn’t even pitch in the freakin’ Japan Series. The report had to be about Kawakami, not Kuroda.
November 6th, 2007 at 7:57 am Quote
Thanks, Ice.
Obviously, Internet rumor stuff is hit-and-miss, but that site has not had a great track record lately.
Anyway, was just passing along what was stated.
Seattle Times today also confirms that Ms are interested in Kuroda, and try to make something out of the fact that his agent is Seattle-based and works with Shiggy Hasegawa.
November 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm Quote
There is very little downside in signing Kuroda.
If his elbow is healthy again hes a potential #2 starter, especially in Safeco with Joh behind the plate.
If not hes still a quality MOR (#3) starter, and probably our 2nd best starter in a worst case scenario.
For his upside, think a RH Buerhle in his prime style wise, for his downside think Paul Byrd.
November 6th, 2007 at 2:14 pm Quote
Looks to me like Kuroda will be the guy, because taro is right: he’s no bigger risk than the other options, and could pan out much better.
But I hope everyone likes him, because (and this is just me reading between the lines) I think he will be pretty much the only major addition to the roster in this market.
November 6th, 2007 at 3:42 pm Quote
That’s just it, with this market could he be pricey? Surely not as much as Mats, but honestly, what kind of competition will we see? What’s the final purchase price?
November 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pm Quote
Kuroda is a FA, so he will automatically be way less expensive than Matsuzaka. Plus…being a FA, he has the ability to tell everyone else ot get bent if he happens to want to pitch to Johjima. That’s our best bet to get a good deal…if he happens to want to play with Ichiro ad Johjima.
November 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pm Quote
This is all very strange to me. I was very high on Matsuzaka but he turned out to really be nothing more than a decent MOR starter. If Kuroda is a step down from Matsuzaka, there is a decent chance that Dave from USSM is correct and he’ll be a RH version of Washburn. A decent pitcher but hardly the #1/2 that the M’s need.
November 6th, 2007 at 9:59 pm Quote
We’ve talked about having a rotation of Washburn/Batista-types, and it really doesn’t hurt. The problem is, that’s who this team targets for EVERY position. ML-solid/average types (Vidro, Guillen, Ibanez, etc..), and you simply CANNOT build a roster on mediocrity. Not the whole thing, anyways.
I love the notion of signing Kuroda, because consistent pitching is hard to come by these days…it’s why we had to pay Miguel Batista $8m/year to pitch for us, and Washburn nearly $10m/year.
But you’ve gotta step up and out a little bit in SOME area of the ballclub..and I’m sorry, even though our bullpen was absolutely ridiculously good last year, you can’t have your primary strength be your ‘pen and expect to win pennants. At least, I don’t think it’s ever successfully been done before.
November 6th, 2007 at 10:07 pm Quote
The bullpen is a major asset if everyone gets enough rest and doesn’t get overused and overexposed like they did last August/September thanks to the rotation sucking. But I agree…you need to get some stars in there too. The Mariners are hoping their stars will come form within (Jones, Morrow, Clement, Felix, Betancourt, Lopez) so they don’t have to take a big scary risk on one.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:54 pm Quote
“the team is considering sending a delegation to Tokyo that likely will include general manager Bill Bavasi.”
TNT,SPI reporting that Bavasi is flying to Japan to meet Kuroda.
Good move showing respet to the player they want!
November 21st, 2007 at 12:11 am Quote
DrNaka…do you think Kuroda will be an impact pitcher in Seattle? The Mariner blog-o-sphere doesn’t like him, but IMHO that’s not being caused by any rational basis…I believe it’s being caused by the flop of Kei Igawa.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:44 am Quote
#178
I think so. But you know pitchers are less predictable as batters.
He will have good outings and bad outings; have goos years and bad years. As a whole in 3 year span he will be 1 to 2 wins above avarage I think.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:52 am Quote
1-2 wins above average per year? Or 1-2 ins above average in the entire three-yeare period combined? The first suggests Kuroda would be roughly a solid #2 / #3 for a pennant winner, the second suggests he’d be the Mariners’ third best pitcher and a #4 for a winner.
November 21st, 2007 at 8:47 am Quote
Seattle P-I report (emphasis added):
Sounds like they’re pretty darn serious about signing him. My prediction all along has been Kuroda, someone like Timlin or Dotel, and everyone else coming off the current roster.
November 21st, 2007 at 9:27 am Quote
#180
1-2 wins per season.
So #2 or #3 on pennant winner.
Value of 15 to 20M$ as FA.
If he signs for 10 to 12M$ the difference is that he has no track of MLB.
I think he will adjust to MLB far better than Igawa.
November 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pm Quote
I don’t know why the local papers don’t report it but in Japan it is reported that Hasegawa is the advisor to Kuroda.
November 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pm Quote
Awsome news. I cant wait to see him in blue!!!
November 21st, 2007 at 6:41 pm Quote
Some concerns.
Will Jamie Burke give up his No.15 for Kuroda?
November 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 am Quote
Of course he will. Burke is a team player…he’ll take another number if it means adding a big name free agent.
It’s all but done at this point…the Mariners will get Kuroda and a power righty for the pen (I don’t think they’re going to sign a control artist anymore…the last several of those they’ve tried have sucked) and hope the fifth starter emerges in ST from the group of 6 candidates:
Morrow
Rowland-Smith
Ramirez (sigh(
Baek
Campillo
Feierabend
November 22nd, 2007 at 7:45 am Quote
Per Cot’s Baseball Contracts
He is listed as FA now.
November 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 pm Quote
bummer
So the candidate list is down to 5.
But contrary to the ultra-negative view of NYMariner, the Mariners’ website is pushing Morrow HARD right now…three different articles on there mention that Morrow is stretching out his arm and is expected to make the rotation in 2008.
November 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm Quote
Sanspo is reporting that Bavasi and Mac meet with Kuroda and had an offer of 45M$/4years on the table. It speculates Kuroda will sign before winter meeting Dec.3rd.
Other Japanese papers reporting the SI article and 10M$/year for 3 to 4 years and contract will be till end of Dec.
As for the lenght of the contract I don’t have concerns. I think pitcher with command age very well cf.Moyer.
In the same article it is mentions that Mr.Yamauchi is suporting the deal.
If Mr.Yamauchi has a word money is not a matter for the M’s FO.
November 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 pm Quote
Just my humble opinion why Mr.Yamauchi is so high on Kuroda.
It is not that he has input of a Saber-dude or has knowledge of baseball scouts.
Top ex of Fortune 500 company have other bulbs on to whom to hire.
1. Mr.Yamauchi saw the meltdown of M’s SP late in the season. M’s need a stopper!
2. Kuroda’s loyalty to former team Carp and not crossing the ocean with his father ill was a great plus for his personality.
3. Kuroda pitches better when the competition is stronger. His nickname is “Giants’ Killer” (Yomiuri Giants of course)
Just my opinion.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:14 am Quote
I will be very happy if the Mariners can sign Kuroda for 4X45…that places 4/5 of the Mariner rotation in stable mode for the next two years, which gives the FO the ability to work on something else.
November 26th, 2007 at 7:41 am Quote
Tyuugoku-shinbun (Local paper of Hiroshima) had an article about Kuroda.
Reading it and with other reports I think the timetable below is the best I have.
1. Nov. 28th.
Meeting with his MLB agent.
(His agent will inform Kuroda about the offers from MLB teams.)
2. End of Nov.
Make clear if he will stay in Hiroshima or cross the ocean.
(This the timetable he set by himself to be royal to his (former) team that Hiroshima Carp can move on for other options if he cross the ocean)
If he chooses to stay all will be set here on this date.
3. Mid or end of Dec.
If he is going to a MLB team he will decide quite quick.
November 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pm Quote
The MLB sources seem to indicate that Kuroda is expected to indicate whether he is interested in Seattle before the winter meetings next week (as you have said DrNaka)…I would expect a contract to be signed by the end of those winter meetings since that’s more or less the only thing the Mariners are doing right now.
November 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pm Quote
I wrote it but the MLB sources may made a mistake that that the decision Kuroda will make at end of Nov. is deciding the team he is going to.
But still if Kuroda will cross the ocean which very likely; the frontrunner is the M’s.
November 29th, 2007 at 8:06 am Quote
Many reports out that Mr.Yamauchi is pushing for Kuroda.
So if the M’s cannot land Kuroda Lincoln will be on a hot seat.
Another report is that Hillman was in Japan for 1 week and wanted to meet Kuroda. But failed to make a meeting. So I think Kansas is out because Kurada wants to go to a contender.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pm Quote
Good for KC for at least trying to get several big namers this year. They even bid on Jorge Posada.
November 29th, 2007 at 11:50 pm Quote
Kuroda just made a press conference and said that he will not stay in Hiroshima and cross the ocean.
So far about his decision made end of Nov.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:32 am Quote
Ok…so we know he’s going to MLB…now…I’m waiting for the news about his trip to Seattle and several other cities being cut short for unknown reasons after his trip to safeco field.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:13 am Quote
I think he is going to winter meeting to meet several GM and managers.
Report is that Torre will be at wintermeeting to meet with Kuroda.
So far he is a far better student to his agent than Johjima.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:02 am Quote
Well that’s not good…probably means we’ll have to pay market price if his agent even allows him to go to Seattle…a lot of agents don’t like the Mariners.
December 3rd, 2007 at 5:50 pm Quote
rumor is that the M’s offered 3/30 or 4/44. for what its worth.
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pm Quote
might be both.
3/30 with a 4th option year and incentives for innings pitched that could increase the deal to 4/44
December 4th, 2007 at 12:37 am Quote
We still haven’t heard, from Dr. N, Ice, or Taro … what their best guesses are on Kuroda returning to 150 kph in 2008?
December 4th, 2007 at 9:49 am Quote
With the report that his arm is healthy again I have no concerns about his velocity returning to 150km/h. Though there are no reports about it.
Report was that he had a workout and played catch ball with MLB ball. He was 100% OK with that ball. Glad to hear it because his strength is in his control and not in velocity.
As for his performance in 2007; Kuroda had a light injured arm and his father was ill and past in August. So he had two concerns. But still managed to be the ace of Hiroshima Carp. Kudos to that.
December 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pm Quote
I think G-Money would probably be better at this kind of thing…
Kuroda was usually 90-93mph in ‘06 and he dropped to 88-91mph in ‘07.
Theres a pretty big performance swing depending on how his velocity recovers..
December 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pm Quote
Reported is Kuroda making workouts now.
Ask about the contract he replied:”I will hear it after the wintermeeting (from my agent).”
I think the timetable is:
1. Hearing the latest offers from his agent - after winter meeting.
2. Visit the city (with his family) of the clubs with interest - next week
3. Deciding - mid to end of Dec.
All the rumors that Kuroda will decide during wintermeeting is false I think.
There was a conflict of his deciding during Nov. and that was deciding to stay or not.
And on that he made it end of Nov.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pm Quote
Update
The cities Kuroda will visit next week is:
Seattle, LA and Phoenix.
So M’s, Dogers or D’Backs will land him.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:08 pm Quote
I don’t see the D-Backs landing him, just logistically LA and Seattle offer some bonuses to Japanese players.
At this point, we need to sign some guys to create some roster flexibility..looking like the only impact guys are gonna be available through trade anyways. Maybe time to use some of that bullpen depth along with our young ML-ready studs.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:12 am Quote
IFF Kuroda were 100% healthy, I would offer him 4/$44m myself, if I’d been GM. Would be glad to make that move in a debut offseason and stake my rep on it.
I believe in international pitching stars, as a group. They have their games together and it is on the hitters to figure them out.
But Kuroda isn’t just any international pitcher. He has the power/control combo you look for — he isn’t smoke and mirrors. He has the kind of rock-hard game you don’t have to wonder about. I mean, it would be a lot of fun watching Nishiguchi bring his 62-mph change curves over here, but Kuroda’s game is already in ML style. Obviously the M’s agree…
Only concern the zip on the FB, because in the majors an 88 inside fastball won’t jam anybody. But if he’s got the extra couple of feet on the FB, I’d bet long on the guy.
You can bet your booty I will be drafting Hiroki Kuroda well ahead of Washburn and Batista in any AL sim league. Will be excited if the M’s land him.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:10 am Quote
What if the Mariners trade for Bedard? Would you still want Kuroda?
December 5th, 2007 at 5:22 am Quote
I would definitely still be interested in Kuroda if we traded for Bedard.
Churchill has an interesting (if a bit optimistic) trade thought posted over at PI. It would have us sending:
Adam Jones, Wlad Balentien, Eric O’Flaherty and Jose Lopez
for
Eric Bedard and Brian Roberts.
Personally, I wouldn’t see Baltimore doing that, but it’s close enough to make you wonder. Maybe swap O’Flaherty for Morrow and you’ve got something that would fly right now, regardless of what happens with Santana. There are plenty of veteran COF’s out there still to pick up, like Bradley or Jenkins (like Churchill pointed out) to fill the corners..I dunno, it’s almost certainly wishful thinking, but that’s a franchise changing trade right there. Import significant improvements to two high-impact roster spots for us, and re-shape the Baltimore OF at the same time (anyone think AJ and Wlad would enjoy taking aim at the LF wall in Baltimore?).
It’s usually only fun for us M’s fans early in the offseason, so I’m gonna enjoy myself a little bit
December 5th, 2007 at 5:42 am Quote
#211 … sure, though the assumption is that the M’s won’t get two hi-priced SP’s…
Love to have them prove us wrong…
Bedard for Jones, Morrow, Wlad and ? as well as Lincecum for (?) Beltre and Tillman is the dream scenario of the winter…
Which will swiftly be reeled back in to Aubrey Huff and C.J. Wilson, as we’re all aware :- ) … after the Angels land a Bedard-Tejada package, and Chuck shakes his head that he preferred his own offer…
December 5th, 2007 at 5:47 am Quote
Looking through what is admittedly a very murky magic mirror on this one…
I think that Shigeotoshi Hasegawa may be telling Kuroda-san that the Angels are a much more serious organization, causing him to bank right and fly his plane down south, despite lesser money from the Halos…
Hasegawa knows the M’s org, and I don’t see a lot of ex-M’s recommending the franchise, do you?
December 5th, 2007 at 5:52 am Quote
Which would differ from my guesstimate in two ways:
1) Substitute Eric O’Flaherty for Brandon Morrow.
2) Swap talented 2b’s, giving them both a change of scenery.
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Essentially Jason thinks I’m overestimating the cost required by about 0.90 of a Brandon Morrow. Let’s hope he’s right. I’d like for Baltimore to “counteroffer” D-O-V by telling me that if I’d subtract the key piece, the deal would look fine. :- )
That was a suggestion on Jason’s part, or an M’s employee relayed that the teams were dickering around that kind of a structure?
December 5th, 2007 at 5:55 am Quote
The Roberts-Lopez swap is the kind of a swap you could see in MLB.
The M’s are getting tired of Lopez just about the time he’s going to blossom, as was the case with Carlos Guillen last time around.
Baltimore would love to have the cost savings.
Roberts runs extremely well, is an aesthetically-pleasing ballplayer, and most importantly, gives them the coveted six-pack to replace the jiggly belly problem. Roberts is the M’s kind of ballplayer (as well as a fine ballplayer, period).
I can definitely see the grass being greener on the other side, for both clubs, on that one.
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If I were a GM, I would be deathly afraid of Lopez jelling as a 120-RBI, Miggy Tejada MVP candidate very soon, while Roberts slid softly into the good night of a bunch of .285/.350/.410 lines like he had in 2006.
While paying Roberts more money…
I’m GM, under the gun, I can’t deal Lopez for Roberts. But if it were “payment” for Bedard, that’s different… I doubt that Prospect Insider is considering Lopez-for-Roberts “payment” for Bedard, though.
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On a more objective note, the M’s would add a .370 OBP and 40 SB’s behind Ichiro next year, without having to worry about Lopez needing another year on the learning curve. If they want to win now, it would be a perfectly understandable move.
December 5th, 2007 at 6:48 am Quote
You’d effectively replace Vidro’s “bat” with Roberts, and have actual fielding/speed to go along with it. That would allow you to upgrade any number of positions beyond what Vidro could give you (1B, COF, DH).
As the members of the ESPN league can attest..I’m not a big Brian Roberts believer
But he’s got some real value as a table-setter behind Ichiro.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:44 pm Quote
I like that second deal much more.
I’m not a Lopez fan at this point.
Morrow/Lopez/Jones/Balentien for Roberts/Bedard = backflips, cartwheels and champaign.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:41 pm Quote
That Kuroda decides without a trip is bad news for Ms.
He had a trip to US in Oct. to watch WS and to be examined by a doctor on his elbow in IIRC LA. So he knows about LA.
I say it is 90% that:
Not making a trip = He goes to Dogers.
Edit to add:
If the Ms falter to land Kuroda despite outbid the Dogers and it is because Kuroda thinks the Dogers organisation is superior to the Ms; I think Lincoln is on hot seat.
I really want to see how Mr.Y reacts.
December 11th, 2007 at 7:50 pm Quote
Meanwhile, the Dodgers don’t think they’re going to get Kuroda so they’re bidding like crazy on Bedard. If they get both and we get neither and then Santana goes elsewhere, I quit.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:41 pm Quote
Double post (Posted on Spotspot too)
Sanspo is reporting that insider (from Hirosima Carp I think) says that Kuroda is going to Dogers.
Kuroda told his former team on Tue. 11th. that he will fly to LA on 12th. to sign the contract. (All Japanese time)
So I think 99.99% forget about Kuroda.
Will Bavasi go in panick mode?
Will Lincon be on hot seat?
December 11th, 2007 at 8:45 pm Quote
No offense to Kuroda…but this could be great news for the Mariners…it may cause the Dodgers to rescind their offer for Bedard.
December 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pm Quote
Is there a hope that Bord of Directors and Nintendo realise that something is wrong in M’s organization?
December 11th, 2007 at 9:30 pm Quote
With respect, Dr. Naka, this non-signing does not necessarily assume a problem with the org. that needs to be addressed. Kuroda comes with as many questions as answers, plus his age. I wouldn’t go 4 years and big money with age and questionable stuff staring back at me. I am as gung-ho about starting pitching as anybody, but one does have to draw the line. Dice was pretty good, he did not have a divine pitch as advertised, and the Red Sox avoided him in the playoffs… Only a team such as them can afford 100 mil. for a 3rd starter.
December 11th, 2007 at 9:38 pm Quote
to #224
Many reports have been out (not direct quote though) that Mr.Yamauchi wanted Kuroda.
If it was the case it is a failure of the CEO not landing what the owner (NoA has the majority shares of Ms, NoA is owned by Nintendo and Mr.Yamauchi is the shareholder and adviser to Nintendo) wanted. Lincoln must report to Mr.Yamauchi about Japanese player signings.
It is not a baseball decision for sure.
December 11th, 2007 at 9:42 pm Quote
I am with you, Dr. Naka. Kuroda was Yamauchi’s guy. He was calling for Kuroda last offseason as his answer to the Dice-K signing.
If this huge disrespect to Yamauchi is due to the fact that Kuroda likes the Dodgers’ org and position to succeed better AND the M’s have a poopy season, Nintendo may just say “Game Over” to Lincoln and Co.
Exciting! This could end up being way better than actually having signed the guy.
December 11th, 2007 at 10:10 pm Quote
looking at that dodgers offer from the bedard thread (kemp + kershaw + the entire rest of the team) - if that offer really existed, the only way chin-lung hu isn’t already wearing a hat with a little bird on it is if that was conditional on the dodgers side, waiting to find out if they got kuroda or not. it’s hard to imagine them doing that if they do get him. (of course, it’s hard for me to imagine any sane team doing it if they don’t get him, so what do i know.)
with kuroda they’d already have a rotation of penny / lowe / billingsley / kuroda / schmidt-in-theory. … / kuo / elbert / kershaw / james mcdonald. then why gut the system for bedard and miguel “i am obviously a very similar investment as akin to your nomar” tejada? that’s a catchy nickname i just coined for him.
December 11th, 2007 at 11:35 pm Quote
Right…the Dodgers may now be out of the Bedard sweepstakes. Their rotation is plenty deep.
Which means the Mariners and Reds are left. Which means either the Orioles say “dang it! No bidding war…we’ll keep Bedard for now” or they say “We love Adam Jones and Wlad Balentien…congratulations, Seattle.”
December 11th, 2007 at 11:47 pm Quote
This is great news.. mainly because this could help send Lincoln packing sometime in the near future, and obviously this may see LA pull back a prospect or two from the Bedard deal…
Not to mention I didnt think Kuroda was MLB legit to begin with..
December 12th, 2007 at 4:21 am Quote
Another factor: Kuroda probably knows he’ll have much better success and better numbers in the NL than the AL.
December 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm Quote
Kuroda JJang he’s best of best pitcher i love him
December 16th, 2007 at 12:18 am Quote
DrNaka wrote:
That’s a 5-star scoop there… When Naka speaks, I listen. : )
I’d love to get some feedback from DrNaka, Ice, Taro, or anyone else about M’s reaction & politics, with Kuroda signing with the Dodgers. It seems this is the first major Japanese free agent that the M’s went hard after, and didn’t get. How big a slap in the face is this to Mr. Yamauchi? Is it clear that Mr. Yamauchi strongly wanted the M’s to hire Kuroda? I would guess that if that was the case, the M’s could have out-bid the Dodgers, that the money would have been made available. Is anyone aware of what the M’s offer was? Would the M’s have been afraid of offering Kuroda too much, for fear of disrespecting Ichiro? Or, did the M’s not push for Kuroda as hard to increase the chances of them landind Bedard? Yes I have many questions
December 16th, 2007 at 12:49 am Quote
From what I heard the Ms were smart enough not to go a 4th year.
And I’m sure if the owner really wanted him that bad, we’d have done something stupid like 4 yr/$50 mil.
December 16th, 2007 at 3:14 am Quote
It depends what kind of failure Ms did.
There is an article from Niwa Masayoshi on Major.jp (the licenced site of MLB.com) in Japanese dated Dec.12th.
http://mlb.yahoo.co.jp/headlines/?a=8881
If you do not know about Masayoshi Niwa here some search of his English articles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/keyword/search?searchString=masayoshi_niwa
He writes in the article that though the US media reports that the Ms are front-runners for Kuroda; all the information he gathered Dogers was always the front-runner.
The Ms made a fatal mistake at the beginning that is end October to begin of November. He will write about it when he has more info to back it up in a follow up article.
BB and Mac went to Japan to apologize about the error they made otherwise Ms won’t be allowed to bid.
I was wondering why Ichiro or Johjima was not at the table with BB and Mac, but when it was a apologize meeting I can understand it.
I don’t know what the fatal mistake was. But Kuroda got FA status Nov. 13th. and all teams could speak to him from 14th. If the Ms made a fatal mistake before that it suggest tampering. (I have nothing to back up it other than the dates of that article)
I really don’t know why the local press does not report it.
Local press = just another PR department to Ms?
But if local press and the fans want to have a stronger Ms they should be more critical to Ms. Critics will make the club stronger.
April 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pm Quote
Kuroda’s velocity is back in the 90-94 range (hitting mid 90s when he goes for a K).
The question is still whether or not Kuroda’s arm can hold up for the full season (one less days rest, rebounding from injury in ‘07), but so far hes looking like a TOR starter.
The command is as tremendous as ever and the split looks even nastier with the MLB ball.. if I’m the Dodgers I just try to keep him fresh.
April 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm Quote
variable life insurance
outwitted!lurched?blameworthy.exerted bran