=== Weaver On Strategy ===
What Dr. D would do, right now, is put his two or three no-glove, bat-first benchies into the lineup.
This was Earl's magic recipe for curing an offensive funk. It's a practical, agile, and do-able response to a team slump.
Take the 1972 Orioles: Bobby Grich (127 OPS+), Terry Crowley (112) and Don Baylor (119) on the bench.
Earl's regular 9 were a mix of bat and glove specialists, and if the MOTO hitters slumped, it could get ugly. His bench always contained real bats, guys who could win the game with a pinch-hit, and guys who could go in and cure a team slump twice a year.
As Earl explained, "it's bad for morale when your starters feel like they have to throw a shutout to win."
He would flood his bats into the game, even if it meant bad defense for a little while. This would include moving players to tougher defensive positions. Earl would yank his glove wizard Mark Belanger from SS, putting a 2B in there (Bobby Grich), in order to maximize his offensive punch.
The defense might get ugly. That was beside the point. Orioles would play 8-to-5 ball games for a week, and the slumping regulars would join in the festivities against long relievers, and boom. The slump over, the glove players would go back in.
Earl specifically wrote about this response in Weaver on Strategy. With emphasis.
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This isn't to criticize, but to point out a little paradox the local nine has fallen into… the M's love:
1) Aesthetic defense
2) 12-man staffs
3) Swiss Army Knife benchies (Cairo, Bloomie, etc)
4) Rigid 9-man lineups
5) All of the above
So the Mariners do not have The Earl Response available. Nor do they have the natural protection against mega-slumps that Billy Beane enjoys, through his Custx8 approaches.
Lesson learned: one of the hidden downsides to the M's roster preferences, is that there is no AGILE, nimble, low-inertia in-season fix to a slump like this.
Ironically, with the emphasis on security… how secure does the ballclub feel at this point? :- )
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Oakland is a modern example of the bench-bat model. Last year they had literally 8-9 bat-first, no-glove players rotating in and out. Cust, and Snelling, and Swisher, and Johnson, and Piazza, and Stewart, and Buck, and I forget who all.
The point is, if three guys slump, you have three others to go with …
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This bench and roster is the anti-Earl, anti-Beane bench and roster. It has its plusses, but you are witnessing the 3rd-biggest negative associated — the deep, unfixable offensive slump. Which can metastasize into a team that gives up.
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=== No Absolutes Need Apply ===
Defense is a wonderful thing and all that, but you guys are watching the downside to holding defense and versatility as an absolute.
What is the flippin' big deal about losing your DH twice a year? Why can't Burke's AND Cairo's spots go to whatever the biggest sticks are that you can get your hands on?
What's the big deal about switching positions around? Betancourt to the bench, JLo to short, Raul to 1B, stuff like that.
So it would be ugly when Jack Cust watched a ball bounce off the warning track four feet away from him. Is that ugli-ER than what you are watching right now?!
Go the Earl route, if you don't like what you're seeing. Develop a bench that can snap the regulars out of vaporlock twice a year.
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=== Stay the Course ===
Even Beane and Epstein will bear with their ballclubs early IFF they believe in the ballclub.
How many of these Mariners do you expect to win your next pennant with?
1. Ichiro
2. Beltre
3. Clement
4. JLo
5. Betancourt
6. Wlad (or Tui, or Triu)
7. Johjima* (controversial but D-O-V says, sure)
8. Bedard
9. Felix
10. Putz
11. Morrow
12. RRS, Dickey, Tui, Trui, Aumont, Ramirez, etc
The M's have put together a group of high-upside kids, and truly marquee players (SP1, SP2, CL, SU) that …. well, that I can root for.
Hey, Erik Bedard and Felix Hernandez would have been horrifying in pinstripes — even the 1996-2001 teams. Those are just the kind of players that Steinbrenner used to envy in the M's, back around 1996.
Put Brandon Morrow into the rotation and I don't care whether this team wins or loses. I like them so much that I'll bear with them until they jell.
Because this is a roster that is building towards a championship, not towards 88 wins.
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=== Dr's Diagnosis Dept. ===
Sports slumps happen when you catch a bad break, get off your stroke, bad things happen, and you don't believe in yourself any more. For the moment.
The M's have caught a boatload of bad breaks — the BABIP, Putz, Bedard, and a bunch of enemy SP's who threw out of their minds that day (like Mussina again Saturday).
Those .265 BABIP's led to pressing, which led to the mindset of expecting to lose. Friday's 4 errors aren't lack of effort; they're yips.
Slumps happen. The M's has reached the point to where they, short term, expect things to mess up.
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=== Dr's Prescription Dept. ===
1. Patience - stay the course, because this is a roster worth rooting for.
If you don't have moves available … well, don't panic. Because you believe in these players.
R.A. Dickey is a move I'd make.
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2. Trades - If you're willing to get decisive: flip Sexson, Vidro, and Washburn for (1) a SU, for (2) Jr/Tex/rental/whatever and for (3) Morrow SP.
Eat some $$ … what, 50-70% of all their prorated 2008 dough?. Better than throwing away $115M.
If the Board magically gave D-O-V the reins tomorrow, sure, I'd be wheeling and dealing.
2a) I'd deal some minor league talent for a stabilizing relief arm or two, no matter how long USSM held its breath until it turned blue :- ) and I would move Brandon Morrow into the rotation. (Miguel Batista can also cover SU.)
I'd go ahead and 2b) offload Sexson now, eating half his prorated $$ or whatever, and 2c) offload Jarrod Washburn.
I'd be 2d) calling on Teixeria, on Griffey and on whatever legit MOTO lefty bat could be had for $1.20 on the dollar. You offer enough, and people say Yes. I wouldn't be about pleasing some invisible blog with 3,000 readers. I'd be about pleasing the 40,000 visible fannies in the seats every night.
I'd be 2e) reconfiguring my bench to get some bats onto it.
But that's not to say those things are necessary.
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3. 11-man hitting rotation - Learn the lesson of a 5-man bench with 2-3 bats. You might even address this in-season, with Eduardo Perez/Ben Broussard TYPE trades.
Who are the two best platoon sticks available? You could dump Cairo and/or RP#12 and/or Jamie Burke, and get two good part-time LH hitters in here.
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=== Dr's Endorsement ===
But whatever they do or don't, I love this team.
They have earned my respect. After four years of 25 Honda Civics and plumber's union entitlement, this is a dynamic collection of players I plan to root for.
One of these days, that Clement kid is going to be a ballplayer. :- )
Go Mariners,
Dr D












May 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm Quote
I agree with much of this although I am not sure Sexson is that big of a problem, 1.019 OPS on the road, how can Safeco be killing him so much?
Also, I think Vidro can just as easily be one of the slump busting bench bats as trade bait.
Agree on the bench thing completely, this team is incredibly stupid when it comes to benches, Norton should be playing not out of a job. I have a hard time believing that the players seeing the most competent bench bat (the guy most likely to help them win) dumped is not affecting them.
They also showed poor judgement in the bullpen, why was Corcoran sent down? Why not Lowe or Green? Talk about a terrible message to the team, do well get sent down.
May 4th, 2008 at 8:19 am Quote
Agreed - I do not understand why they cut Norton - he’s hitting better than all those stiffs on the bench.
As for Sexson - I think the boos at Safeco are getting to him. He needs to ignore them and mash - that will shut them up.
May 4th, 2008 at 9:56 am Quote
Sexson = Cammy
Safeco’s in his head (both the park and the fans).
May 4th, 2008 at 9:58 am Quote
McLaren decides to take out Sexson and his power “road” bat.. and replaces him with Vidro
Our 5th and 6th hitters are now Vidro and Betancourt.. talk about middle order pop
This is the exact type of game Richie should be in… mediocre starter, road game, these are the types of games he hits his homers in
May 4th, 2008 at 10:02 am Quote
Just further proof that McLaren does not get it.
Moving Betancourt up is a smart move, sitting your 1.019 OPS hitter is retarded.
May 4th, 2008 at 10:06 am Quote
Actually put this over at MC but think it fits here too, especially since this thread is what got me thinking about it:
I suggest we make serious changes to the staff, here is my (some would view as radical) idea:
Option RRS (who would try starting in Tacoma), Lowe, and Green to Tacoma
Call up Corcoran and Dickey (who would replace Batista in the rotation)
Move Batista and Washburn to the bullpen (make sure both know this is not about demoting them since neither deserve to be demoted but I do believe these 2 could add stability to the pen and yes Washburn to the pen, I think he would help there)
Move Morrow to rotation
You end up with this (assuming Putz is healthy):
Baek-yes I am keeping him, mainly because I don’t think anyone else deserves it anymore than he does and in case Dickey or Morrow struggles he can step in to the rotation.
Washburn
Rhodes
Corcoran
Batista
Putz
If Putz is still hurt (and I think he is) than Batista to closer and either Lowe or Green stay up for now.
Will this work? I have no idea but I think the status quo is gonna kill us and we have no one in Tacoma who is pitching well enough to come up (except Fieirabend but I don’t want him in the bullpen) so I think the best way to fix this is swapping out the bottom of the rotation.
Just a though
May 4th, 2008 at 10:29 am Quote
Washburn would not be my first choice for middle relief…
I want this to happen:
DFDA Burke and Cairo
Demote Lowe to AAA to work on command
Send Putz to the DL
Call up R.A. Dickey
Call up Roy Corcoran
Call up Bryan LaHair
Call up Yung-Chi Chen
Then be working on trading Washburn to the Yankees for peanuts and Sexson to the Reds for Griffey.
May 4th, 2008 at 10:55 am Quote
He would not be my first choice either but I was working only with what we currently have.
I really don’t agree with DFAing Burke though, as long as Clement is the starting DH I prefer to keep Burke on the roster and if you went with a 5 man bench I do not think it would be a problem.
I just don’t want to leave the manager in a position where they feel they cannot pinch hit or pinch run for Johjima if needed and like it or not most managers would feel they could not do it if it meant losing the DH for the rest of the game.
As I type this we see another reason, the trainer is looking at Johjima now, what if he needs to leave this game? Would we really want Silva hitting the rest of the way?
May 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am Quote
going with a 5-man bench will not work as long as JJ Putz is a question mark and Cha Seung Baek is on the team (and therefore one of your bullpen spots is forfeited to only when you’re already losing by 5 runs).
We don’t have pitchers that we can cout on to be auto-out machines in the bullpen…we need to be able to mix and match and that requires a 7 man bullpen.
Washburn would not be effective in the bullpen IMHO…because he would not enjoy his job and you know he would take it personally and do really poorly as a result.
With a 4-man bench, we can’t carry Burke…I’d rather have Silva or relievers batting occasionally when my catcher is hurt or pinch run/pinch hit for than carry a bench bat I can’t use.
Working with what you have involves recognizing that these are human beings and they have emotions to consider that impact their performance. Washburn would not work in the pen…I’m not even willing to consider such a move.
Batista has proven he can do it…but he’s also our best starter right now other than Bedard. King Felix is going to continue to be ineffective until we find a bullpen that works and therefore feel we can take him out before he hits 115 pitches.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:19 am Quote
I wish Clement would calm the heck down.. he’s swinging at some terrible pitches with 2 strikes..
May 4th, 2008 at 11:20 am Quote
I guess it depends, I think Washburn could be convinced if you are genuine in it not being a demotion. I am genuine in that view. I don’t believe Washburn deserves to be demoted, I think he has done his job as a #5 starter but the team needs the help.
We do not know he would take it personally, we do not know how he would take it. I would at least discuss the possibility with him and see how he reacts.
If Baek is my limitation on the 6 man pen (I don’t think he is if you find consistency but if it is) than I DFA him. The reason I kept him is because I do not believe him to be the limiting factor.
Guess we disagree on this one, not that it matters the Mariners would never consider these changes anyway. They will continue to trot the same guys out there and finish 3rd or 4th in the West.
And again its not about mine or your willingness to risk losing the DH, its about whether an MLB manager would or not and I seriously doubt any would meaning Kenji would bat and run even when a pinch hitter/runner is needed.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am Quote
King Felix has been ineffective? He’s been lights out other than yesterday.. i dont judge a pitcher’s effectiveness based on the way the bullpen is pitching… that’s ridiculous to think Batista has pitched better..
May 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am Quote
#10 I agree, not only is he looking real nervous, but he is not hitting the ball hard at all. He is also having trouble with those inside breaking pitches.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am Quote
Well, no one thought we were 6 games better than the Angels starting the year, so its hard to picture us gaining that in 5 months.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am Quote
They need to have a good week starting tomorrow.. If they fall 8+ games back or fall to 10 under .500.. the season is over.. they arent good enough to make up that kinda ground
May 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm Quote
If that happens, if they’re 8+ out in May… Does Johnny Mac get fired? And should he?
May 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm Quote
I like what Mac’s been doing lately. He’s been using his bench; he’s been committed to Balentien; he’s gotten Clement a bunch of at bats; he’s used his bullpen well.
In fact he’s done a good job of getting everyone in there, so the onus of the losing streak is really on all the players. Only a couple would be exempt… probably Bedard and Ichiro. I think this bodes well for a turn-around.
Gotta love Rhodes. Kudos to the club for having him as an insurance policy in the absence of Sherril and the less than stellar performance of EOF and RRS.
May 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm Quote
McLaren should have never gotten the job so I think he should be fired.
McLaren is a #2 not a #1, that is where some guys belong.
May 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm Quote
I agree that Mac isnt to blame… but at the same time.. he’s not a ML manager.. so whenever they want to get rid of him, im all for it..
Im not getting the Felix negativity either… Matt thinks Batista and Bedard have outpitched him…
Gl, doesnt include him in the Ichiro/Bedard category of being exempt from blame…
Personally, id put Felix/Beltre/Bedard/Ibanez/Ichiro in that order as guys who shouldnt be gettin criticism right now.. Lopez and Silva have also done good jobs for most of the season..
Guys who arent doing anything to help us this season..Johjima, Sexson, Vidro, all RFs, Yuni (outside of week 1), Washburn, Batista (1 good start), the entire bullpen minus Rhodes…
May 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm Quote
No…I don’t think Batista has outpitched Felix THUS FAR>..I think he WILL outpitch Felix for several starts now because Felix has been overworked to the point of ineffectiveness. Did you watch his start Satruday? He was GASSED in the FIRST INNING>
May 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pm Quote
Matt, i pointed that out a couple weeks ago, that he was being abused by throwing 110 pitches seemingly every game…
You said “he’s a horse, he can handle it”.. Now one bad start, and you’re saying he’s being overworked??
May 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm Quote
You pointed it out when he’d had TWO long starts. I assumed, evidently incorrectly, that McLaren would find some starts to pull him early from. He’s now had 4 in a row…five if you count this last one where he got left in when he was laboring. Unless they rest him at least once every three starts or so, he’s going to struggle.
May 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm Quote
Agreed. Didn’t include Felix in the two just because of his late-game surrendering of runs time before last, I think it was… which isn’t a very good reason really. Yeah he’s been awesome.
I don’t know if 110 pitches per outing is abusing him… My personal opinion is he’s young and his concentration wans towards the end of the game, when he’s been toying with batters for an hour and a half. I don’t think it’s physical. Is his velo dropping or his follow-through shortening up? I haven’t had the chance to watch his starts al the way through.
May 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm Quote
Making up 6 games against an inferior team is one thing, making up 6 games against a superior team is another. The team gets another week or two from me to make up some ground. If it happens, I start trading for some help. If it doesn’t happen, its rebuild time. That means Morrow to the rotation, LaHair gets called up to see what he can do, Washburn traded, etc.
In the meanwhile, we MUST MUST MUST resign Felix and Bedard. Both of them will be significantly more expensive at year’s end. I have no idea why there is such a lack of urgency from the M’s side to get this done.. Contrast how Tampa Bay dealt with Longoria, Shields, and Pena swiftly to how the M’s are dragging this out…
May 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm Quote
Still waiting far that aesthetic defense to show up
The team also used to have man-crushes on switch hitters. Which is why, combined with his .400 BA, I was so surprised Norton was DFA’d.
May 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm Quote
Taro, you’ve been beating that drum for a while, and you’re right it’s super important. Be nice if more people felt so strongly about it.
From your fingertips to Bill’s ears….
May 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pm Quote
Looking at the season, I figured out how it could’ve been worse…
May 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm Quote
Ok here are the moves I’d make IMMEDIATELY if I were GM:
1) Call the Rays about J.P. Howell and Willy Aybar. Howell is a LHP with TOR upside, and a PERFECT fit for the park. Good K rates, and GB rates, improving command, the only obstacle to TOR’dom is the HR rate and hittability. He already is as good as the 3-4-5 on our team. Aybar is your 5th IF, and would a HUGE upgrade over the stiffs on our bench. They will probably cost you Michael Saunders and Yung Chi Chen since Tampa has no pitching needs but possibly has a long-term fit in the OF or at 2B.
2) Call the Cubs about Matt Murton. Very good fit for LF at Safeco. The Cubs are so ticked at him, you could probably steal him from them. Career .815 OPS with upside. Hitting stroke is a good fit for the park. Good defender in a corner.
3) Resign Felix for 5-6 years with 3-4 club option years. Get the deal done ASAP, at least within the next month.
4) Ditto Bedard for 5 years.
5) If you can, trade Carlos Silva and his horrible contract away. There are probably no takers though so….
5) Trade Washburn and Batista (salary dumps). Washburn is mediocre and his fastball is declining, but the Yankees probably take him right now with their pitching struggles. I LOVE Batista’s new delivery, but hes making $19 mil combined with Washburn next year that needs to go to Texiera, hes 700 years old and is eating up an audition spot for Howell/Morrow. Which leads to…
9) Matt Murton starts in LF and Ibanez/Balentien platoon in RF. This significantly improves your defense AND offense. LOVE Wlad’s power, but he looks very Wily Mo Pena/Jonny Gomes-ish to me (especially with his pitch reconition issues), and will likely have INSANE RH/LH splits. On my team hes the LHP masher on the bench and the perfect 4th outfielder for this team.
These moves would likely improve the team NOW without costing you any significant prospects (that a Texiera/Griffey acquision would) and would add long-term upside and help shed salary at the same time.
If you eventually fall out of the race, THEN you can address Ibanez, Sexson, Vidro and others…but for now those are the moves I’d make.
May 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pm Quote
OK, the last three should be #6,7,8 but you get the point…
May 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm Quote
For more on J.P. Howell:
http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/team/player.j…layer_id=434442
Check out the “Howell strikes out nine” video.
He throws a NASTY curveball, a good change, and usually works off of his two-seam fastball.
His skillset is MUCH better than the ERA hes shown early in his career; hes a LHP and a great fit for the park.
May 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm Quote
Also looks like he throws a plus slider; the velocity tops out in the high 80s though and he usually throws the moving fastball in the mid 80s.
High LD% and HR/Fly% are the only thing standing in his way. Peripherals have been gradually improving over the past three years.
May 4th, 2008 at 6:22 pm Quote
No way do I trade Batista now. His new delivery gives him TOR upside…and we can’t deal him until he PROVES it by dominating for a while.
May 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pm Quote
Where’s Corcoran? Oh, here he is…. : )
May 4th, 2008 at 7:21 pm Quote
Gotta like Mac’s latest comments about hitting. Paraphrasing… ‘We can’t hit for them. We write ‘em in the lineup, and they hit. If they don’t then we’ll change things accordingly’.
Love that.
Look at how the Yankees are throwing their whole minor league system in to the starting rotation, trying to find someone who can get the job done. That’s a results-oriented organization.
May 4th, 2008 at 7:33 pm Quote
well if Sexson doesn’t remember how to hit, maybe LaHair will. Same for Balentien and Clement evidently not being ready to shoulder this responsibility (what the heck happened to the patient guy I thought we were getting in Clement? Talk about pressing and making himself look bad). Try Reed or put your faith in Johjima…do something…not saying we should give up on Clement or Wlad (LOL…quite the opposite) but they have got to calm the heck down and stay within themselves
May 4th, 2008 at 7:43 pm Quote
LaHair stinks..
I think we’ve learned a few things from the early returns on Wlad and Clement… these guys in the minors cant carry a team.. we all wanted to see Clement and Wlad come up and mash like they did in the minors, but it’s gonna be many peaks and valleys with these two the rest of the season.. I want both to play regardless, since their are no other options, and they need to get the experience for the future..
I dont think panic is the way to go.. i see alot of folks calling for all types of minor league players to come up, and for us to send down 2-3 of our bullpen guys, DL Putz, trade for Junior, toss Sexson in the dumpster, trade Batista, trade Washburn, Morrow to the rotation, fire McLaren, fire Bavasi, etc..
While I am certainly no supporter of Richie Sexson, or McLaren, or Bavasi.. i think we just need to stand pat, cause there are no better options out there.. the two major league ready or almost ready bats are here now.. you want to argue about Corcoran and Lowe, fine.. but i dont think it makes a big difference..
Now down the road (month or two) if we are still inept.. then i would do a few things
1)Look to deal Washburn
2)Send Morrow down for a month and have him get stretched out so he can finish the year in the rotation, and get ready for 2009
That is basically it.. the guys in the minors worth a darn arent gonna factor in this season.. you can throw the names Reed, LaHair, and Chen around, but these guys arent gonna give you anything substantial at the ML level..
Listen guys, this is the team.. we gotta deal with it
May 4th, 2008 at 8:00 pm Quote
I don’t think LaHair “stinks”…I think he’s got a good, quick left handed swing and the expectations for him wouldn’t be anywhere near as high as they are for Wlad and Clement.
I understand your point about guys from the minors…but the pitchers I wanted called up are major league pitchers (Corcoran and Dickey) and I want Putz on the DL because HE’S NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL HE’S HEALTHY and HE’S NOT GOING TO BE HEALTHY UNTIL HE STOPS PITCHING FOR A WHILE.
May 4th, 2008 at 10:31 pm Quote
WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too early to panic kiddies…
Even our man Geoff Baker is writing about a death spiral… I don’t have time the next couple days with my projects in crunches, but you could go look up 9,000 teams that were 15-24 that won 90+, and/or their pennants…
Just for example, the New York Yankees were 21-29 last season going into June.
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It is ugly at the moment, but Kenji Johjima is not a 400 OPS hitter, the M’s are not a 2-run-a-game offense and this roster is not going to spend the year losing 8-2…
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Equally bogus is the idea that “now we’re down 6.0 and we couldn’t have even won from an even start” … the standings fluctuate up-and-down in any normal season … 1-2 weeks and the standings swing 5 games real quick…
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The 2008 Seattle Mariners may well miss the playoffs, but a 13-18 start is not cause for ripping up the paper and starting anew with the Diamond Jaxx in Safeco :- ) … pennant winners can and do start 13-18, but in most cities they are aware of how little a 13-18 start means.
No guarantees of victory. But there sure as shootin’ are no guarantees of a bad season based on one .419 month, either.
Go M’s,
Dr D
May 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pm Quote
SABRMatt I don’t know about you but Clement has been too patient In my mind. His first 3 ab were first pitch swings, but since then he has gone deep into the count quite a bit, and has layed of some hittable balls. If anything he is too patient…..
May 5th, 2008 at 8:42 am Quote
They came into the year with a recipe, which we all knew:
Super-solid rotation
Good-enough offense
Bulletproff bullpen
Rotation: ups and downs are part of the deal, but here’s the problem — 5th in the league in starter innings, but 3rd in the division. The rotation had to be better than Oakland’s and comparable to LAA’s, and it still ought to be over the long haul, but it isn’t yet.
Offense: .251/.311/.378/.689 isn’t “good enough” — we knew there were some potential weak spots, but we also knew they had spare bullets at Tacoma. Those have been deployed, and we have to see how they shake out.
Pen: Remember, this was supposed to be the key to the whole plan. Get quality starts locked down, shorten the game, reduce the need for huge offense.
1. Misunderestimated the importance of Sherrill, overestimated EOF’s ability to step in.
2. Overestimated Lowe’s ability to step back into key role.
3. Bad luck and problems with JJP.
EOF accounts for most of the ugly bullpen ERA (4.93 w/EOF; 3.61 w/o), but he does NOT account for the walks (4.9 bullpen BB/9 with or without EOF).
The recipe can still work, but it didn’t have huge margin of error to begin with. Rhodes has done pretty well in the lefty role, and Morrow appears to be back, and JJP surely will be. And they do have some spare parts left in Tacoma.
Obviously, and I think this is Doc’s point, it’s way more fun and hopeful to root for Lowe, RRS, Wlad and Clement to turn the team around than hoping for John Parrish or Jason Ellison to suddenly become good.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:00 am Quote
Gotta respect Dr.D’s optimism. The good news is that either way our long-term outlook is positive, as long as we resign Felix and Bedard.
For now though, I’m taking a break on the M’s until they start making up some ground. When it starts becoming stressful its no longer entertainment.
May 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am Quote
I liked this one from the Boston Globe…
“It’s fun sometimes just to scroll down the Mexican League stats. Former Red Sox Roberto Petagine and Jose Offerman are raking. Petagine was hitting .393 with 5 homers and 25 RBIs (1.270 OPS) for Diablos Rojas del Mexico.”
SWEET! Good to know that Petty can still rake, if only we could get our hands on his contract…
May 5th, 2008 at 1:33 pm Quote
Everyone excited for this next week of baseball? It’s put up or shutup time for the Mariners.. Four games with a bad Texas team, at home.. then a struggling White Sox team, at home.. then 3 more with Texas..
This will be the make or break 10 game stretch for me.. if the M’s handle business which to me is 7-3 or better, I’ll show some optimism.. if they go out there and BS around to the tune of 5-5 or something.. they can forget about me paying close attention anymore this season..
Knowing the M’s they’ll go 6-4 and leave me in limbo like they always do..
May 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm Quote
LOL!
Texas could very well cure our offensive funk. 7 games against ‘em in the next ten is a huge break for this team.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm Quote
How many home runs will Clement and WLAD hit these next 10 games? I say 2 for Clement, 3 for WLAD.
May 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm Quote
I not going to make that kind of prediction…I was high on Clement hitting the Yankees’ starters this weekend and we see how that worked out.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:02 pm Quote
Well I’m not looking forward to seeing Josh Hamilton at the plate against us. I like watching him play, but during the last Texas visit to town, I was getting the Vlad Guerrero-Rafael Palmeiro vibes when he was at the plate. That dude is trouble.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pm Quote
indeed…especially at Safeco…very scary dude.
May 5th, 2008 at 6:17 pm Quote
Yeah, what I would have given to have traded for Hamilton instead of White in that Rule 5 draft.
I was honestly shocked that Tampa Bay left him exposed, that guy was the next Griffey/A-Rod #1 pick, it got delayed but just like if Griffey or A-Rod had taken a decade to deal with personal problems, he is still gonna be a star.
Hamilton is Roy Hobbs
May 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pm Quote
Hamilton is not in the starting line-up. Is he injured or something?
May 5th, 2008 at 7:38 pm Quote
he’s left handed and is therefore not starting against Wahsburn I guess.
May 5th, 2008 at 7:58 pm Quote
While if that is why he is out of the line up, I would like to thank Washington for using McLaren logic in his line up design.
May 5th, 2008 at 8:35 pm Quote
I would like to think Wlad for being awsome.
May 5th, 2008 at 8:52 pm Quote
OK…that’s now four times this year that our starter has come up suddenly lame with a random leg tightness. We must be doing something wrong with the conditioning program.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:42 am Quote
(TIC alert)
Obviously because correlation is king…
May 6th, 2008 at 10:12 am Quote
4 times? I don’t see why my comment merits a TIC response…what team in recent memory has had 4 starts interrupted by calf tightness?
May 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am Quote
Hey, Washburn has a hole in his calf. Seems to me his problem should be looseness.
If this is McLaren’s secret squirrel method of pulling a starter without having to wait for someone in the bullpen warm up, then I love it. May have saved the game last night, considering Wash was reaching his magical 90-pitch or so implosion number and he was starting to get lit up.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:45 am Quote
LOL…I was thinking that last night, you know. As they were bringing out the trainer I was saying to myself “this is four times now…either McLaren is a GENIUS or our starters are too damned brittle…
May 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pm Quote
I’m really liking some of the things Mac is doing right now. Putting Balentien in the 9 hole is a good move. Also heard the radio announcers say that Rhodes was in the pen warming up when JJ was pitching last night. That was a good move considering JJ’s bumpy road back to elite status, having him ready to go…. having his veteran lefty ready to go, especially with Josh Hamilton potentially on deck with the bases loaded.
Also gotta like his attainable goal setting, saying that he’s focused on getting to .500 right now… There are a bunch of things he’s doing that bode really well for the M’s.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:08 pm Quote
Moving Betancourt up and Wlad down is definitely a good idea…and he gets a lot of credit from me for getting Lopez into the two-hole, despite my early reservations. And for resisting the temptation to use Vidro much despite Clement’s early struggles.
BTW last night, Clement looked better…he did K twice, but he walked and hit a 400 foot loud out to the warning track in center too.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm Quote
Matt,
w/r/t Lopez in the two hole… the dude just is not walking at all. Do you see this as a problem? I mean, Mac can take advantage of his skills to get the bat on the ball with the hit & run. But is he killing SB chances for Ichiro by swinging at everything?
And agreed about Clement. He’s starting to show the plate discipline he has.
How nice is it to know you’ve got 30HR potential from 5 of your 9 batters…
May 6th, 2008 at 1:05 pm Quote
I don’t think Lopez is killing Ichiro’s SB chances…he’s not walking, but he’s also still drawing a lot of pitches anyway. His P/PA is higher than average and Ichiro’s got 12 steals in 1/5 of the season.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm Quote
The thing about Lopez failure to walk (reminder: pay little attention to first week of season stats) is it diminishes his overall value. He’s been great at all the things he’s being praised for. But he almost has to hit .320 to keep a respectable OBP of .330. When you hit second in the order, you’ve GOT to maintain that .330+ OBP in order to create enough opportunities for your best hitters. If Lopez’ average dips to .280, then he’s REALLY hurting things despite all the good things he’s doing. The A’s and M’s in 2008 are again proving the relative value of OBP. Despite a modest .253 team batting average and poor slugging, Oakland is 3rd in OBP and 4th in runs per game. Seattle, on the other hand, has the same average (.252), significantly better slugging, but averages a half-run per game less, 9th in the league. We’re still in May, and I don’t expect Oakland to finish 4th in scoring in the AL, but the consistent ability to draw walks is a force multiplier that helps you score when hits are hard to come by. Lopez has drawn only THREE walks all season. Also, look at the same culprits from last year, Johjima and Betancourt. Your other numbers can look good, but if you don’t draw a minimum number of walks you’re offsetting a lot of the good things you bring to the table.
The Mariners have been done in for several seasons now by their penchant for significant losing streaks. If they continue to be in the bottom of the league in OBP (currently 12th) and BB (dead last in the AL), this problem will not go away, and it will short circuit anything else that they do well. Mark my words.
May 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pm Quote
Agreed of course…but I don’t think his failing to get on base is negatively impacting ICHIRO…it’s just negatively impacting the rest of the lien-up’s ability to extend innings.
Not defending Lopez’ lack of discipline…he does get plenty of pitches these days but when he gets to 2 strikes he does not like to take close ones…he’s always going to have that problem I think.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:35 pm Quote
And without Vlad/Soriano’s ability to punish pitches out of the zone, Lopez will be a tweener that way. We’ve all seen the tools to hit 30 HR’s and .330 BA from this guy, and he’s seriously capable of it. But he’s also an extreme hacker without the ability to crush pitches at the shins or off the plate away. That inability, combined with a relatively poor eye, make him a really knife’s-edge player..could go either way, and when it happens it’ll happen quickly.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:40 pm Quote
yep…fair point.
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 pm Quote
Washburn’s on a roll….
TRADE HIM NOW!
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:18 pm Quote
LOL!
Get his ERA down around 4.70 and then move him to the Yankees for a nice marginal spec like Melky Cabrera or Edwar Ramirez or similar.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:02 am Quote
Speaking of completely baseless trade ideas, what about the Cardinals’ Chris Duncan? Good pop, COF/1B type, lefty and 27 years old. Probably can post an .850 OPS without too much trouble (having a poor year thus far at .715). He’s seriously squeezed for PT with the emergence of Ankiel, Ludwick and Schumaker in the Cardinals’ outfield, all of whom are better hitters and younger, so he’s the odd man out from the looks of things.
Any ideas how to match up with them on a Bedard trade? (I would sign Bedard if possible, otherwise I would absolutely flip him for a mashing 1B/COF plus an interesting ’spec or three.) I’m not sure how to make it fair, and I’m not intimately familiar with St. Louis and their current systemic strengths/weaknesses.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:12 am Quote
The knock on Duncan is he’s helpless against lefties.
Career line:
vs RHP: 804-PA; .281/.373/.527/.900
vs LHP: 172-PA; .196/.256/.348/.604
That 300 points OPS difference shows no signs of improving this season. Obviously, he’s got value in a platoon situation - but I figure if the Cards cannot fix his problems with lefties, then the Ms have zero chance at all.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:44 am Quote
Well that takes him from Centerpiece to Luke Scott. Thanks for the heads-up, Sandy
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:14 am Quote
BTW, I don’t think he’s an .850 OPS hitter down the road…Cardinals fans have been telling me he’s not a good bet to play well…they think his swing is getting exposed as weak…and I think he’d flop if transitioned to the American League.
The Cards don’t have the pieces to get Bedard…their minor league system is among the weakest in baseball and they don’t have the starting pitcher we’d need to trade Bedard.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:24 am Quote
Who do you think would be a good fit as a trade partner, Matt? I’m coming up a little short right now taking a quick peek at the various rosters out there that I *seem* to think have pitching shortages and are still in contention.
I mean, they’d probably never do it, but Ankiel for Bedard is actually a fairly interesting idea. Leaves the Cards without a CF (unless Shumaker can handle the spot?) but they’ve got the aforementioned Duncan to man a vacant COF spot.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 am Quote
Colby Rasmus says hello. This team needs LF hitters with patience.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:55 am Quote
Colby Rasmus says hello. This team needs LH hitters with patience. If you are thinking $.50 - $.75 on the dollar on the trade with the O’s, Rasmus would be your Adam Jones replacement.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 am Quote
Well, the cards have Colby Rasmus in AAA, so they wouldn’t exactly be without a CF (though he’s having a down year this year).
IF StL was the partner, it’d start with Rasmus and Jaime Garcia plus. If they could swing it, add in a ‘player to be named later’ and wait until next year to name that player as… Brett Wallace. I think the league would have a fit with that (”Trading draft picks!”), but hey - st.l would have to knock our socks off. Duncan is not knocking our socks off, and he’s not someone who would add value to any trade, not with Wlad AND Saunders in AAA.
I’d ask the Red Sox if they were worried enough about the Rays to part with Bowden/Lars Anderson+, and I’d call the Yankees, but I’m just not sure that’s a great fit (no way the yankees part with Joba, and not sure I’d give up Bedard for Betances+).
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 am Quote
I wouldn’t touch Duncan.. nor would I trade Bedard at the deadline, unless someone offered a package with a can’t miss. near ML ready offensive prospect in it and 1-2 other solid chips..
I know alot of people want to get rid of Bedard right now.. but Im inclined to hang on til the winter.. see what he has the rest of the season.. and allow our new GM to make the decision whether to deal him in the winter, extend him, or let him play out 2009 with the M’s…
RIght now, I really dont have a feel for Bedard.. he’s a little soft in regards to missing starts and not goin deep into games, but at the same time he gives u a great shot to win every time out, and at times has been just outstanding.. that being said we havent seen enough of his “Ace” stuff.. the stuff that had him leading the league in K’s a yr ago..
I feel like trading him now doesnt make a ton of sense.. if he has a big 2nd half he probably has just as much value in the winter, as he does right now.. plus it gives the next GM and HOPEFULLY, new ownership, a chance to make that call..
Washburn, is doin a nice job.. and looks all set to be moved.. which is great news.. I didnt expect to get anything back for him, and still don’t.. but if somebody just wants to take the money owed to him, then fantastic.. I dont think the Yanks are gonna give up Cabrera for him.. Melky is the only CF they have on the roster.. the other guys cant play CF at all…
That being said, Cabrera has been horrible this season.. and Yankees fans are all over him on the talk radio stations right now… but still i dont think they are parting with him.. but he would be a nice addition as a 4th OF type.. the guy isnt a starting player but he can play all three OF spots pretty well and would be a nice rotation guy..
Anyway, I guess Im not much in favor of doin much at the deadline.. i dont want Pelekoudas making these trades.. when we’ll have a new GM in 3-4 months..
Personally, I say move Washburn and that’s it.. unless somebody really wants to give you two real nice near ML ready guys in return for a Bedard or Beltre..
In regards to Ibanez.. i dont think anybody will give u much in return.. i’d rather take the supplemental draft pick.. which would likely be a guy of equal talent as the guy youd get in return for dealing him..
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 am Quote
I know that most sabr-followers are quick to point to OBP as the holy grail of productivity, (and not without some data to back it up). But, I would like to point out a Leeeeetle tiny secret that all of the *MY TEAM SUCKS* mentality is missing.
Today - 7/3/2008 - First place team in the AL West — Anaheim Angels
TEAM Batting line:
.255/.315/.382 — (12/13/11) That’s 12th 13th and 11th ranked among AL teams.
That Angel team is ranked 12th in runs scored.
That Angel’s team that is leading the division has *EXACTLY* the same offense as the Mariners. I said this LAST season, (and was either ignored, laughed at, or ridiculed for it). Anaheim assembled an offense that is EXTREMELY batting-average dependent, with a dirth of power generators — but which, (like Seattle), steals a fair number of bases.
The only significant difference in the general makeup of the Seattle and Mariner offensive lineups is that they have Vlad - a legit 950 OPS guy as their aging superstar, instead of a legit .800 OPS guy as their aging superstar.
Does OBP make scoring runs easier? Absolutely. But it does NOT guarantee team success. It is about putting ENOUGH different parts together in different areas at the same time. Would I prefer Texas’ offense to the Ms? Sure. But, I’d prefer the Angels results to the Rangers.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 am Quote
As for making moves - before you make ANY move, you need to make the REALLY hard decision. Do you blow the whole thing up, or do you think there is reason to believe that the current roster can be ‘tweaked’ into competitiveness and built upon for the future?
The emotional nightmare of the 6 weeks of May 2008 has everyone basically on the start-from-scratch train, ready to leave the station. But I don’t think the horizon is as clear as everyone else believes it to be. I think there are valid arguments to be made for both cases. What if the 8-4 Riggleman era turns into the 16-8 Riggleman era, and then the 24-12 Riggleman era?
Shuffling chairs on the deck of the Titanic doesn’t accomplish anything. You need to spell out the LONG-term plan before making moves, unless it is a move you’re certain you’ll make regardless of the plan. (like axing Sexson and Batista).
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm Quote
Yes, it’s a very tough call at this point.
Which I why I am against blowing it up right now, unless the prospects coming back in return for the likes of Bedard and Beltre, are just too good to pass up.. I really feel like one month (til the deadline) isnt enough time to make decisions on the future of the team, especially with GM and managerial changes coming in October, and possible an ownership change..
Despite the horrific start, this team really isnt years away from contention.. to be honest, it’s just about 2-3 offensive upgrades away from heading into 2009 with a legit shot to make the playoffs IMO..
Ive been goin back and forth thinking about the best way to go forward.. do we blow it up? Or do we just make some smart moves in the offseason which gives this team enough of a facelift to move forward..
Lets look at the pitching staff for 2009 if we stand pat..
1)Felix Hernandez
2)Erik Bedard
3)Brandon Morrow
4)RA Dickey/Ryan Rowland Smith
5)Carlos Silva
I think that rotation is right there with the other AL contenders.. I hate Silva.. but he’s not important if your Top 3 there pitch to there abilities.. And I fully believe Dickey or RRS can give you enough quality starts to be effective AL starters..
Bullpen built around the following:
RA Dickey/Ryan Rowland Smith
Sean Green
Josh Fields
Make Lowe
JJ Putz
Maybe EO gets his game back.. maybe Batista gets healthy, stops screwing around with his delivery and becomes a viable bullpen option.. maybe Jimenez has something.. anyway, if healthy, there is no reason this bullpen wont be one of the better ones in 2009..
And then comes the offense.. the primary reason we have been so terrible this year.. this is where the facelife occurs, and it must be built on a change in approach..
I really feel adding 2-3 legit OBP types gives this entire offense the boost it needs…
Ive been pushing these four guys as players the M’s should look to add.. If they could find a way to land 3 of them, they are right there in AL with the top teams… add 2 and they are still contenders..
The guys I’d be targetting are:
1)Jason Giambi.. lefty power stick..having a terrific year.. tremendous OBP guy even when he’s not hitting.. used to have an affinity for Seattle and Safeco.. older player with a 25 million club option, the Yanks wont pick up..
I expect NY to target Tex, and no way do they pick up Jason’s option.. i could see him signing a lower deal to stay in NY and contend, if the Yanks dont add Texeira..
If Im the M’s I offer him a 2 yr deal worth 10-12 per.. This would be a move to instantly contend, but also wouldnt bog us down, in case Giambi gets hurt or falls off the face of the earth offensively..
2)Milton Bradley.. we all know about Milton and what he brings baggage wise, but also what he brings offensively… he’s a great offensive player.. another high OBP guy.. I would expect Texas to bring him back.. but he is a FA, and i would offer him a 4 yr deal, worth a good chunk of money to bring his game to Seattle as a COF or DH option..
3)Jason Bay… not sure what his contract status is or if they are looking to move him.. but they have the best hitting OF in the league if Im not mistaken and have been rumored to be shopping the NW native..they also have a tremendous OF prospect in McCutchen waiting to break in soon… I’d deal any group of our prospects, not named Aumont, to bring Bay here.. Righty power.. only 29.. high OBP guy..
4)Actually, i dont really have a fourth guy, but there are number of middle infielders Id be looking at starting with Orlando Hudson and Orlando Cabrera.. Bringing in Hudson could result in using Lopez in a package to maybe get a guy like Bay.. or moving him to 3B where his glove plays better.. and allowing room to possible trade Beltre for some prospects.. You bring in Cabrera for a few yrs.. you can then play musical chairs with Yuni, Lopez, and/or Beltre.. gives u the ability to possible trade one of those guys (ie. trade Beltre, Lopez to 3rd, Yuni to 2nd)
Anyway, id like to see us go after a couple of these guys if we decide to contend next yr and not break everything up.. we could even look at bringing Raul back in certain situations.. Leaving Reed in CF cause he does bring you OBP..
So yea, i’d like to see us aquire a few of the guys I mentioned above.. There are numerous lineup possibilities i could throw out there.. here would be my ideal one if I were GM
1)Ichiro (RF)
2)Lopez (2B)
3)Giambi (1B)
4)Bradley (DH)
5)Bay (LF)
6)Beltre (3B)
7)Clement (C)
8)Betancourt (SS)
9)Reed (CF)
Wishful thinking, I know.. but with just three moves, (two FA signings) and (one trade).. suddenly we have a very good looking squad..
PS If u want to know where Johjima is.. he’s the most expensive backup C in baseball
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:10 pm Quote
Texas is a great trade partner for Bedard…despite them being in our division, they are in fact somewhat in contention right now, short on pitching, long on hitting, and have players at positions we need. Also good options…the Dodgers (their rotation has taken a beating this year and that NL West is wide open), the Brewers, and the Mets among other teams. Or how about the aforementioned Red Sox? Or the Detroit Tigers?
Lots of suitors out there loosely in contention with prospects to spare…like the Braves for example.
The Cardinals’ “prospects” suck…sorry but I am NOT a fan of Colby Rasmus (I like REED better, if that tells you anything)…nor am I particularly enamored with Jaime Garcia.
The Cardinals might actually be the WORST candidate out there to trade with.
Ankiel is old for an up-and-comer (for obvious reasons) and most probably a steroid user, which makes projecting his power potential problematic. He’s also sporting a terrible K/BB and would most likely pull a Beltre if he came to the AL. PASS-A-DENA!!!
If I’m dealing Bedard, I want guys like Saltalamacchia, Chris Davis, Dustin Pedroia, Brandon Jones…legitimate, major league ready, blue chip prospects. None of these mid-20s projects with limited upside and huge questionmarks.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm Quote
#78 not a bad concept for a quick-competitive approach. But I have issues with the implementation.
1) Giambi — he’s already 37 - has a history of injury - and is currently having a great season. He is EXACTLY the type of player most GMs *OVERSPEND* to get. He’s going to cost too much - and is more likely than most to deliver nothing. He’s basically a shinier version of what Carl Everett was at the time.
2) Bradley — he’s only 30, so there’s still some career left here. But his 1004 in 42 games with SD in 2007, followed by his 1000+ 2008 season (thank you Arlington), GUARANTEES that he is not only going to be overpaid. He’s going to be overpaid for MANY YEARS. He’s also a guy that has played 100 games in a season exactly twice in his career. You don’t even need to think about the potential head-case issues to shove Bradley into the super-high-risk basket.
3) Bay — I like the idea of Bay in Seattle. A year younger than Bradley, and much better and consistent track record. He’ll likely be expensive in terms of prospects, and also costly to sign and keep. But someone I wouldn’t mind going after.
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If you want a Giambi-type — a short-term veteran stop-gap with good OBP? I’d target Brian Giles. Unlike Giambi, he’s been playing in a park that specifically suppresses his stats, (while SafeCo would boost them). He’s got a better health history, and is still a competent OF, (though he’d likely fit better as a DH).
The biggest problem with attempting to plug THREE holes simultaneously, is the odds are good that you’re going to whiff on at least one of the three attempts completely. This is why building a team overnight is so difficult.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm Quote
If I’m trying to turn the club around quickly…I make a sequence of moves that looks something like:
Trade Bedard for a good SP and a major league ready outfield blue chipper
Trade Yuniesky Betancourt for two solid prospects
Throw “stupid money” at Mark Teixeira and Felix Hernandez…if you overpay by 50% or more on those two guys, I don’t care.
Sign a left handed bopper…doesn’t have to be awe-inspiringly good as long he gets on base…it cna be a stop-gap…Brian Giles or Jason Bay or someone of similar repute…heck…Matt Stairs is available after the season I believe.
Extend Beltre if you can. If not, trade him for a good middle infielder and a pitching prospect
Trade Kenji Johjima for a used athletic cup and some Tough Actin’ Tinactin
Trade Jarrod Washburn for either a reliever or a B prospect
Release Vidro, Sexson, Cairo, Bloomquist, Rhodes, Batista and Burke this season.
Trade Raul Ibanez for a major league ready middle infielder (doesn’t even have to be that great a middle infielder…competence is all I’m looking for…especially defensive competence).
RF) Ichiro
CF) Reed
1B) Teixeira
3B) Beltre
C) Clement
2B) Lopez
DH) The Lefty DH you signed
LF) The outfielder you got for Bedard or Wlad, whoever earns the job
SS) the good glove man you got for Ibanez
IF) Hulett / Chen
OF4) The other guy who didn’t earn left field job
BC) Robb Johnson
BAT) Bryan LaHair or whoever else you can throw in there
SP1) Pedro Mart…er…I mean Felix hernandez
SP2) The good starter we got for Bedard…doesn’t have to be as good as Bedard could have been…just solid
SP3) Morrow
SP4) Dickey
SP5) Silva
CL) Putz
SUR) Lowe
SUL) Rowland-Smith
MRR) Green
MRL) Jiminez
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm Quote
Valid pointS Sandy.. but I dont see the real risk in Giambi..
He’s old.. yes.. and he’s a below average defender.. these things basically eliminate much of the competition we’d have to sign him to a last place team.. if Giambi was 32 putting up the yr he’s having, he’d earn a pretty sweet penny..
But given his age, defensive ability, and injury history.. he’s the exact type of quick fix this team could use on the field and in the clubhouse.. and he’s not gonna be on the books more than 1-2 yrs.. I dunno, 1 yr, with a vesting option at 10 million a season.. not sure i really see the downside to that..
Valid points on Bradley.. although some of his injuries have been fluke, like last yr, when he gets hurt arguing the ump or something.. plus he’s DHing now, and that’s the role he’d serve on my team.. this should keep him healthy..
Of course he has red flags, but one must remember, we are a last place team.. guys like Tex aren’t gonna be knocking on the door to play for us.. I personally think Bradley at DH, even for a multi yr deal, is a move I’d make if we’re not in the mood to rebuild..
Bay.. is a FA after next season, and Pitt is looking to move him… I know Jason over at PI hates the idea of getting him.. but i really think with his NW ties, the fact he’s gonna be a FA after 2009, and the fact the Pirates have a stud OF prospect ready to play, makes Bay a realistic option in the winter..
As i said, this would be the quick fix… and of course a little risky.. but we dont have the farm system or appeal to swing deals for sexy players.. Im sure if we took on all three of these guys, you’re right, that one of them would probably underachieve.. but if it’s Giambi, big deal, he’s only a 1-2 yr contract (trust me, he’s not gettin more than that)… And in regards to Milton, i think you keep him healthy at the DH position, and although he’s done some crazy things.. his teammates love him everywhere he has gone.. and if he does something like choke your GM, you probably can cut him and not pay his contract.. And Bay, not sure how much of a risk he is.. RH hitter, bout to be 30, moving to the AL.. I dunno, someone who is better with statistical analysis wanna give me an idea on how he projects?
July 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pm Quote
Slow day at work….
How is this for a trade idea, Phillies need an upgrade in the rotation, we need an upgrade at 2B, and they have plenty of offense, so:
Phillies get:
Erik Bedard
Jose Lopez
Mariners get:
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Chase Utley
J.A. Happ (because the M’s need more pitchers who go by their initials only
Phillies get their #2 to Cole’s #1, and they get a 2B with upside to replace Utley. We get a premo 2B and the #8 prospect (LHP). Now, Chase is a fan favorite so the Phillies would probably never do it. But in theory do the values match up, or am I being unrealistic about Bedard’s (and J-Lo’s) value, either high or low?
July 15th, 2008 at 1:28 pm Quote
#85
That trade might be working *IF* Bedard were CLEARLY healthy. Given the situation, however, I don’t think there is ANY chance that another team is going to gamble on Bedard for the 2nd half of 2008. By the time he proves he’s healthy, the deadline is long past, and he’d have to clear waivers.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:46 pm Quote
Yeha…I think we’re going to have to live with our second ace for the rest of the year (aw darn!!)
I’m not in favor of trading Bedard anyway, so my heart is not broken.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:24 pm Quote
Yeah I would rather keep (and resign) Bedard as well. I was just thinking, if we were going to trade him to the Phills who would we want, and no one in the minors intrigued me. However Utley or Howard would intrigue me greatly, and would not rule out the M’s contending in 09. So, I was just trying to put together a trade that would actually work to get us one of those two.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm Quote
Howard doesn’t interest me…he’s aging poorly already.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:16 pm Quote
Howard interests me, but he’s not an Utley-level player going forward on most boards, so there would be no reason to include him on that level.
But his BA sure looks like a mirage, doesn’t it? .234? With 28 HR’s? Isn’t he at like a .274 BABIP? That’s got to correct, doesn’t it? I’m not sure how many of us have seen the guy hit on a regular basis, but he absolutely slaughters the ball when he puts it in play. If my back-of-the-napkin numbers are right, then this is what his BABIP #’s look like for his MLB career:
2005: .358
2006: .391
2007: .335
2008: .274
So his median seems to be something like his 2007 season, right? We all know that TTO guys are prone to more violent swings (like how I did that?) in numbers like these, because of A) the relatively few BIP they generate and B) they anecdotally seem to fall in and out of ‘grooves’ more spectacularly than other types of hitters. Could be six in one, half a dozen in the other, but I think the point is clear.
Now, simply using BABIP to analyze a hitter is dangerous..just look at Sexson. But Howard’s down year really does look like a mirage, to me. I’d like to hear arguments against, because my ‘research’ took all of ten minutes.
I’d buy, but at .80 on the dollar.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:16 pm Quote
ack, post eaten.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:08 pm Quote
Not saying I wouldn’t WANT Howard…just saying I don’t think he’s a good bet to age well…the BABIP is injury related IMHO…he’s got the dreaded “nagging back issues”.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pm Quote
#92: Oh absolutely he’s a terrible bet to age well. He’s not likely to be slugging .500 as a 40 year old..probably not even as a 36 year old. But he’s probably good for 3-4 years of high-level production, he hits from the correct side of the plate, and would anchor a lineup devoid of anything remotely resembling a serious threat.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm Quote
you need two good hitters to form a proper anchor normally. We’d need Howard as a DH and Teixeira as the 1B to really be thinking about our line-up as a threat.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pm Quote
What about Beltre, With Howard hitting behind him maybe he would see more neck high fastballs he could tomahawk out to right
July 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pm Quote
LOL…true that…and he would DEFINITELY not feel pressured to carry the whole danged team offensively.
the good news is…Howard is a FA soon…Phillies won’t resign him…can’t afford to keep him AND Utley AND Rollins AND Burrell AND their pitching.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm Quote
One thing Dr. D would do right now … is get out of the RE game that has him punch-drunk and woozy, LOL. :- )
Looking at some web-editing gigs.
Some corporate amigos are dropping by just to make sure we’re not completely kidding them about writing and editing. So hope you don’t mind if we have a few relatively ’serious’ articles on the front page for a bit.
Okay to rely on the Hottest Groks for a few weeks? And if y’have a suggestion for an article to bump up front, fire away :- )
Thanky kindly - Jeff
July 16th, 2008 at 12:31 am Quote
No problem, Doc…we’ll support your search for new projects for a while..the team isn’t that interesting right now anyway.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:55 am Quote
RE game?Never mind, it just occurred to me, Real Estate.
Yeah that is a tough business right now. If you need a reference letter of something, i am sure you could get several hundred from the posters around here, not that they would be worth much
July 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pm Quote
LOL OBF. That got a laugh-out-loud …
How many of the posters around here know somebody who needs a contract guy for the summer? ;- )
Actually it’s kind of funny … when you’re talking about certain kinds of jobs, the amigos are (justifiably) like, “So just how fast can you write?” And answers pertaining to D-O-V are slightly awkward :- )
But absolutely. If you could figure some way to communicate how awesome the MC/DOV community has been, you’d have it made …. am at a bit of a loss as to how to do that…
July 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm Quote
Bemusingly, although some of us think that the site isn’t the prettiest, the reaction I’ve gotten so far (from non-baseball fans) is that it looks terrif … colors pop, good proportion, easy to navigate, etc.
Not saying that’s the end of the discussion, but it’s interesting.
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You know what else? Corporate amigos can only be linked up to a private site like this — as a sample — if there’s nothing offensive, off-color, etc. So our rule “if you wouldn’t say it in front of a 10-year-old, don’t say it” made the difference between usable and not.
It dawns on me, all of a sudden, how proud I am of *all* the comments. Having a corporate client read through a few comments threads would be nothing but a slam-dunk, deal-closer.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm Quote
And why exactly is Philly trading the heart and soul of their team, NL MVP to be, for Eric Bedard (even if 100% healthy)…??
I cant imagine they would ever make that deal, even with Lopez goin back
July 16th, 2008 at 5:08 pm Quote
#101… I’ve always liked this site’s layout. For the reasons you cite, and also because each post doesn’t take up half a page with a bunch of unnecessary junk. It’s all content.
Only thing I miss right now is being able to easily leaf through past POTD’s.
Oh yeah and my posts being eaten lately, don’t like that so much.